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then -- >> this is a remarkable leader, someone who studied, someone that is an honor to have met. >> blow back, newt gingrich on the hostility of his praise of nelson mandela and we look at the republican charm offensive build's hillary's crusade and what harry reid said. this is "state of the union." good morning. i'm candy crowley in washington. a deadly winter storm that already caused havoc from texas to tennessee is arriving in the northeast. those are our live pictures from around washington, d.c. this one from the capitol looking out. that is the washington moon oument that you're looking at. things are starting to get rough here. so we'll continue to monitor all of this that is beginning to hit the east coast and work its way up the mid-atlantic. so warning to folks already out there. this is likely to turn into freezing rain and ice.

so lots of care out there on the rootdz today. we've already seen what it's done in other areas of the country. meantime, all the world is a stage and there are lots of actors these days. at an international forum saturday, president obama acknowledged the u.s. would accept a peaceful nuclear energy program in iran. meanwhile, 8 a-year-old merrill newman is back on u.s. soil and with family after being detained in north korea. pyongyang said it deported the 85-year-old veteran of the korean war. north korean authorities seized newman off a departing plane more than a month ago. joining me now, congressman michael mccall, he is chairman of the house homeland security committee and adam shift, a member of the house select intelligence committee. thanks for coming in on a sthoey day. not always easy in washington. i want to start out with merrill newman. i know his son is in your district. you had been back and forth with him. why did north korea seize him and why did they legality him go?

>> it's a very good question. i'm not sure we'll ever know completely the answer. it may be as a north koreans have said that, you know, part of a personal pique they found out abouthis war record and pulled him off the plain. it may have to do something with iran and the fact that north korea is the not the focus of attention right now. they often will grab people to gain attention to get a world leader come and rescue them from north korea. it may have something to do with the internal fight, the purge going on of mr. jang. so it may be purely internal north korean politics. it may be a shout to the rest of the world that we want you to pay attention to us again, our nuclear program. or it may be simply confined to something mr. newman said that caused him to be taken off the plane. >> he was over there for closure for his north korean war activities. so anyway, we're glad he's home. and you're right. the attention has been

elsewhere, mr. chairman. it has been on iran. i want to play you something that the president said yesterday. >> we can envision a comprehensive agreement that involves extraordinary constraints and verification mechanisms and intrusive inspections but that permits iran to have a peaceful nuclear program. >> so iran with a peaceful nuclear program means it will have some enriched uranium at a much lower level than the 20% that is needed to build a nuclear weapon. is that okay? >> look, we've been working on the sanctions for a decade, since i've been in congress. and to get to the point where the administration, whatever party, could negotiate with iran to dismantle their nuclear weapons program, what i'm concerned about is that we have not dismantled the program and yet we have the sanctions, a $7

billion economic aid to the country. when i talked to former administrations and the bush administration, they tell me one of the biggest mistakes they made in north korea is where they basically agreed to these accords and the north korean's got the nuclear weapon. i don't want to see that same mistake happen in iran. i want to be optimistic. kennedy said don't fear to negotiate. but don't negotiate out of fear. what i'm concerned is we're setting up a problem here. yesterday, just yesterday the president of iran said the centrifuges will never stop in iran. that sends to me a very cold, hard message that they are not intent on a civilian nuclear peaceful program. but rather towards get ag nuclenuking a nuclear weapon. >> let me read part of what the president said yesterday. he said nuclear technology and uranium enrichment is our definite right but progress

better living conditions and welfare for the people is also our definite right. you saw what countries got angry with the deal and you saw what a blow was inflicted on the zionists. so in context, he was talking to a crowd some of whom are not all that happy that iran is dealing with united states and, of course, other western countries. so my question to you is, does it complicate things when the administration says, yeah, we could see some enriched uranium for nuclear power purposes but nothing else? >> well, it does. it's one thing to say that iran can have a peaceful nuclear energy program. you can have a peaceful nuclear energy program with no enrichment. the uranium can be provided for that. they don't neated centrifuges. they don't need fast speed centrifuges. they certainly don't need thousands of centrifuges. the only reason you want to have the capability that iran is developing is if you want a fast breakout capability.

so what i think the administration needs to push for in this negotiation is a peaceful program without enrichment. and i wouldn't begin the process by conceding anything on enrichment. >> it seems like it's already a little bit -- now the exact nature of it, the idea that well maybe we'll ship in enriched uranium capable of nuclear energy only. but nonetheless, a lot of people complained it does seem like the administration is giving up something they shouldn't be giving up. >> yeah. if i can make a point this violates a u.n. security treaty and empowers other countries to say we're going to strike an accord with you to allow you to continue your uranium enrichment. all that does is encourage other countries within the middle east to say we abided by this. but if you allow iran to do this, then why can't we do this? that's my concern. >> right. we didn't stop pakistan. we didn't stop north korea.

so the idea that iran can be stopped if they want to make a nuclear weapon seems to not have a great historic president dent. >> you know, they have the know how. what will it take if they're going to pursue the bomb? it would take a sustained military campaign, not just a bombing campaign. a bombing campaign would set them back for a period of time. but if they were determined, it would have to be repeated bombing campaign and may include boots on the ground. because that is such an awful prospect, we need to see if there is a peaceful way to put an end to this program. that's why i think the interim deal makes sense. i share the skepticism that we can get to a final deal. >> the chances were 50/50. >> i'm very off mystic. >> i would add that, you know, look, we pass and ann and i voted for the iranian sanctions act on the central bank which is

where the energy is coming out of the transaction. it is very important legislation that has not been passed. i had a letter to harry reid and they said let's pass that bill to give us the leverage. this is all about leverage in the negotiations. >> new sanctions that will start in six months? >> the iranians know we're serious about the sanctions and give us a leverage for the administration and their talks. i happen to agree with my colleague that if we can have a civilian program, fine. that is the goal that i think actually both share on both sides of the aisle. >> i do part company with the idea that we should pass another sanctions bill. i know there are many pushing that right now. we don't want to be perceived by our partners as the ones that are throttling this agreement before it has a chance to live. and if we do, then i think the coalition that supported these sanctions which includes many reluctant partners like china and russia starts town ravel. it will be one thing if the iranians renege if, they cheat.

then deals off. we not only resume the freeze, we add sanctions. i don't think we should take steps that aren't necessary right now. the iranians know if, they don't know, they're stupid, and they're not stupid, the minute they renege, sanctions are coming flying out of the congress. >> a better way to demonstrate that than casting out the senate. we need to give them every leverage we can in these negotiations. >> let me ask you homeland security question. i had the heads of the intelligence committee is on last week. and both dianne feinstein and mike rogers said they felt the u.s. was less safe now than it has been. both because of the kind of versatile and widespread threat of terrorism. not just one group but a whole bunch of groups and because one or two people can do a lot of damage. i want to see if you agree with

that, mr. chairman, that the united states proper is less safe now because of this moving threat of terrorism. >> i think a lot of programs, policies have been put in place since 9/11 prevented a 9/11 style attack. on the other hand, i think the threat has become greater, not lesser. so when the president of the united states talks about the down grades, the threat is near to his al qaeda is on the run and since bin laden's been killed the threat is no longer existing, i think is a false narrative and premise. as we see this threat all throughout the northern africa and we saw egypt fall, libya now syria is a great culmination of the sunni-shia conflict, i personally see it spreading like a spider web, like a wildfire through northern africa and the middle east and as that threat increases overseas, so, too, does it increase to the homeland. and that's my biggest concern is homeland chairman is to keep

that threat outside the united states. i think it's getting worse, not better. >> and congressman, you're only intelligence committee. you see things most of us don't. i guess my question is are we up to this kind of new permtation of the terrorist threat? >> i think we are. and i was surprised when i have to say by the reaction we got from our chairs last week. i think vis-a-vis the kind of attack we had on 9/11, we're much safer than we were. we seriously degrade the core of al qaeda. their ability to work that attack. it's true there is a proliferation of the spinoffs of the low level attacks, plans of these lone wolves like we snau boston. they're still very threatening. but i think we are safer from the big attacks. we do see, you know, continued risk of these smaller attacks. and we see increased instability and syria right now is ground zero. >> are we up to the keeping them

off our shores? which includes, by the way, u.s. embassies everywhere. >> i think we are better at it now than we have ever been. but we're never going to be 100% safe. and the kind of magnet that syria has become with people flocking to syria to join the jihad and who may come back is going to be a problem we're going to deal with the next decade. >> if i can associate myself with his remarks, absolutely. i think syria is now the training ground for the world. these jihadists are pouring in every day. and the rebel forces are more of a threat than anything, particularly if they have a hand on the chemical weapons. that's one of my greatest concerns over there. i agree that the smaller scale attacks, they've evolved into that. and 9/11 style probably couldn't happen today. a small scale like we saw in boston this very year, we saw boston attack, the largest since 9/11, that could easily happen again. it's very difficult for our intelligence community disrupt

that. >> so one of my questions when i -- this week was a little consumed by the head of amazon saying, you know, we're going to use drones to deliver packages. now whether, you know, self promotion or whatever it happened to be, it's possible. and my question is if drones become that easy, like we can drop your books off at your doorstep in 30 minutes, twhooz keep people who do us harm from setting up a drone with a dirty bomb or something that could -- i mean is that feasible? >> you know, it's feasible. i don't think that's the primary threat we ought to be concerned b i was watching the drones stories and it kind of struck me as like the jetsons come to life. it may be nice to get your books from a drone. the thing is that drone is going to need cameras on it to guide it. and i think people are going to have real privacy problems, even if it's delivering something you want, that it is scanning all of our neighborhoods as they'll be very little privacy left with

that kind of a situation. i do have a grave concern that as drone technology pro live rates, many other countries will start employing it and employing it with lethal capabilities. and that's a big problem. it is something we need to think about in terms of our own drone program and the precedent that we're setting and what that will mean for china and russia and others. >> last word? >> well, i think, you know, drones -- look, we've had a policy in an narrative that is ignoring a major threat that's out there that i think threatens the home land. think drones are a good tool to go in for high valued targets. i think good intelligence, special forces, i don't think occupying countries is wait to go. i do think that the smart ways to do it. but the problem is drones alone are not going to kill an ideology. at the end of the day this is an a war of ideology that in my judgment the ideology of the enemy is growing and spreading. i think the only way that we're

going to finally end this is not just through military might, but by utilizing the moderate muslim which we have not effectively done to get that message out that this is not acceptable. the moderate muslim can be a very effective tool in this war against terrorism and ideology. i think we need to focus on that as more as well. >> i agree completely. >> congressmen, thank you for coming. >> thanks for having me. >> good luck on the way home. >> thank you. when we return, the number of jobs goes up. unemployment rate goes down. our happy times here again. who gets to plan the victory lap? that's next. la's known definitely for its traffic, congestion, for the smog. but there are a lot of people that do ride the bus. and now that the buses are running on natural gas, they don't throw out as much pollution into the air. so i feel good. i feel like i'm doing my part to help out the environment.

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>> yes. i think that we're clearly in a strong recovery now. if you look at the inflection and data over the last couple months, it's really the best couple of months i've seen since the great recession began. consumer confidence is soaring. auto sales jumped up to 16.4 mill dwron above the 16 million which is like the 98.6 for the economy. everything is looking good. it's that rare moment where we seem to be right on the verge of a recovery. >> wow. could something mess with it? >> oh, yeah, sure. i'm very excited as well. but it's not going to be a straight line. there are two big hurdle we have to get over in the next few months. the next one is the battles here in washington over the budget. we can't go down the same path we went down in october and shut the government down. that would derail things. >> which, by the way, they seem united in their ability to not close it. >> the other hurdle is the federal reserve. so the federal reserve is going to begin pulling back on its bond buying program. and, you know, that could be a little contraditricky as well.

>> that's what kept interest rates low. >> exactly. part of it. and they talked about tapering, pulling back on the bond buying early last year. the interest rates soared. so there is reason to be a little adverse about that. >> annie, who gets credit for this? >> so i think this is just the economy finally getting into kind of a self sustaining recovery years after the recession. it's worth noting even if the recovery picks up and growth gets stronger, we're still really, really far from an economy that's feeling good for most people. earnings are down in some cases. wages are -- wage growth is really sluggish. zint feel great to most americans, even optimism is picking up. so if he f. we had job grej as fast as we saw last month, you're still looking at six years before you get something like a really healthy, healthy unemployment rate. >> to that, let me just show you cnn/orc poll. it was taken between the 18th and 20th before some of the

numbers came out. but the question was how are things going in the country? and those who said things are going badly, 59% which is a six point jump from september, is that because of the so-called income gap? like this sort of the rising rich? my theory is just that, yeah, yaur seeing the great figures. people don't feel it because maybe they haven't actually been recipient of the recovery. >> i think there is really something to the idea that there are two americas. so here in the top part of the income distribution, certainly the top third of the distribution, then, you know, no problemment your balance sheet is very strong. if you have any debt at all, a 30-year fixed rate mortgage, you refinance and you have no other debt. your house is appreciating, stock portfolio is appreciating. if you're in the bottom third, you have problems. we still have foreclosure issues, student loan debt is a big issue. and real incomes after inflation haven't grown. >> except for the top 1%.

>> except for the top. >> will is something to stick in here though which is the good employment news that we saw friday, for example, had no impact on the top 1%. the people who didn't have a job who now have a job are the people that are really in the bottom half. and also, if you look at the michigan survey which i think is the most scientific economic survey out there, the sentiments skyrocketed in the last survey. it is the biggest increase i've seen. >> but it's still below where it was. >> the point is that ordinary folks are starting to site, too. >> so back to the kind of the credit, who gets credit for this? because what's going to happen is this will play out in the budget discussions. it will play out first, i think, on extending long term unemployment. because republicans look at it and say this was a stimulus program. we don't need it anymore. now thaun employment is coming down. and the democrats are saying, no, we do. and the president, in fact, argues as many have, extended unemployment is great. that money goes right back into

the economy. so is it -- who has the upper hand here when they look at it? do people look and go well, the stimulus, you know, may have worked. it plays out in arguments? >> part of what you're seeing with the politics is you have this dlcliff. a lot of people would be getting extended unemployment benefits and then right after christmas they wouldn't. that is the not the best way to do it. most states reduced the weeks of unemployment benefits already. that is not the way to go about it. it's to suddenly yafrpg the rug out from a lot of families that are feeling a lot of pain already. i think say little bit of -- the democrats are really going to push for this. think think there is a little queez jiness among republicans that just letting two million families all of a sudden see the end of this. >> it needs to be extended. 7% unemployment rate is where the employment rate is the typical recession is. you consider people who are underemployed and given the low wage growth, i think the economy is too weak at this point.

here's the other thij. the way the current emergency program is structured, it does phase out as unemployment rates come in then people get less emergency ui. it happens state by state. so the way it's structured, it phases out over time as the economy improves. >> there is still unemployment benefits, just extended unemployment benefits we're talking about. do you agree with mark? >> i don't. i think the lengthy unemployment benefits created a real problem. we created the class of folks who are unemployed for longer than a year and it's very, very difficult to reconnect with society. the highest priority now is to develop programs for the long term unemployed who are having a really hard time even getting a job interview right now and focusing on extending the problem i think is the wrong thing to focus on. if you look at president obama's economic speech, the part i liked the best is the emphasis on addressing the long term unemployment problem. he said he was going to meet with a bunch of executives at the white house soon and announce a new program. i'm eager to see what he says there. that's something that i think --

>> get a tax credit for hiring someone that's been unimploempl. >> these folks are really in trouble. >> we should do both, right? we should help the folks that are still in trouble. kevin is right, there is an element of the unemployment rate that is there because of the ui program. but even given that, it's been -- >> people that stay unemployed because they can get enough from unemployment. >> yes. there is a lot of research and debate. but my estimates, 10.2 3% of unemployment is due to the ui program. the net benefit of this is very significant. kevin is right. we have to work on long term employment. >> i just say that i disagree we should do both in the following sentence. what we should do, if you want to give more money to people currently unemployed. just give them the money. give them a lump sum of cash. don't make them stay unemployed for another three months to get the checks. if you give them a lump sum of cash, they go out for a job right away. >> a lot of the long term

unemployed, there are four million currently. we're probably understumenting. many of them are not receiving ui right now. they're not getting anything in some cases except for perhaps food stamps. >> let me play you something that john boehner said. this is his description of the economy right now. i just want to get quickly whether you agree or disagree with this description. >> there's no doubt that under president obama our country is falling into what i'll call a new normal. economic growth, high unemployment, stagnant wages. >> is that the new economy? is that recovery? >> that's the way the economy looked about three months ago. i think that latest news has been significantly better than that. and i would say that it's really a challenge to both parties. i think that democrats and the people have been saying that we have secular stagnation and need a much bigger stimulus and stuck in this new normal, too. i think everybody is ursurprise by the good news. nobody figured out what the

political story is. >> i don't think he's wrong that economy remains pretty weak. >> it's not a new normal in my view. >> you think it will get better? >> absolutely. i mean i am -- as convicted as i've ever been about the state of american economy. we have come a long way from righting the wrong that's got us into this mess. american companies are competitive. i can feel confidence coming back. as soon as we do, we're going to get stronger. >> enough talk like this everybody is going to be confident. you all agree. mark, zandy, annie, thank you for coming by. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> when we return, he called nelson mandela one of the greatest leaders of our lifetime and incurred the wrath of his facebook friends then he fired back. newt gingrich is next. [ male announcer ] this store knows how to handle a saturday crowd. ♪ [ male announcer ] the parking lot helps by letting us know who's coming. the carts keep everyone on the right track.

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welcome back. let me show you some pictures. they are crowds celebrating the life of nelson mandela outside his house in johan ersburg today. amazing that such a celebration over there certainly sadness much it's largely been a celebration. joining me for more on nelson mandela, newt gingrich. you wrote a facebook page and put out a statement praising nelson mandela, a man you supported very early on. you were supporter of sanctions

against south africa for apartheid. you wrote that on your facebook and then surprised by the reaction you got. i'm just going to read them for folks, a couple of them. such an amazing rewrite of history since 1962 and 1990. i thought you of all people, a historian, would be true to who this guy really was. and then from someone else, this clench first warrior does not deserve respect from informed americans. what do you make from this backlash? >> i was very surprised by it. i posted my statement on her facebook page and amazed at the intensity, some of came back they, four, and five times repeating how angry they were. so i wrote my newsletter on friday. basically, i entitled it, what would you have done? everybody says they love freedom. everybody who is proud of the farmers that stood up to the british army, whoefrn is

grateful to george washington for eight years fighting the british empire, here you are. you emerge as a young man. he actually went to a methodist school. and mandela went on to be largely a nonviolent person. >> a lawyer. >> a lawyer. tried in court very effectively used his role as defendant. and then you get the takeover in the late '40s by the very, very aggressively, i would say savagely pro apartheid party largely africans. and all of the options are gonement you're now up against an oppressive dictatorship which you're black means that you are going to be in effect in a police state. >> and that comes up. >> all of that stuff occurs while he's in jail. now two points i make to people about mandela personally are,

first of all, this very long deep commitment to freedom which i think most of us could identify with. and second, that after 27 years in prison, he doesn't come out bitter. he doesn't come out angry. he come out as an extraordinarily wise man who actually invites his prison guards to sit in the front row of his inauguration as president. >> do you think that this outpouring on facebook and ted cruz also put out a very complimentary statement and saluting nelson mandela and got the same pushback, do you think these are fellow conservatives? who do you think these folks are? >> i think some people bought a rational that defined everybody who was in any way in rebellion against the established system in the third world as

anti-american. we were the kind of country they wanted to become. i think there are people who have sustained this kind of mythology. and there is no question that in the '50s mandela moved from a nonviolent model. my point is there weren't any conservative outs. churchill ally was stallin' in world war ii. i think in a similar tradition, mandela was desperate by that stage. he saw the scale of the oppression. and the only allies that were available, frankly, were on the hard left. >> as you well know, president ronald reagan opposed putting sanctions on south africa for its apartheid government. he rejected calls for mandela to be released. same with margaret thatcher. they were very focused on communism and south africa had been the -- the south african government had been an ally. but they were on the wrong side of history.

zbh they were. in all fairness to reagan, reagan's ambassador to south africa consistently put pressure on the government to modify the position. and consistently condemned apartheid. but the commitment was to defeat the soviet empire. they underestimated the importance of islamic terrorism. they didn't want to think about itment they had one goal, a pretty big goal, defeat the soviet empire. they succeeded. and in the process they weren't willing to be diverted to secondary issues when you look at the worldwide scale of the cold war. i think there's no question that you had continued american effort to end apartheid through arguments about how -- >> they weren't pro apartheid, they were just against sanctions. >> they were against sanctionsmentsanctions. i met with the chief but laly and he was against sanctions. a group of us decided in the end a number of younger could be

servetiv conservatives at that time to lead an argument if you're pro freedom, then you can't be tolerant of apar tight. >> newt gingrich, thank you. always interesting. appreciate it. when we return, senate majority leader harry reid says the president if you like your health care plan pledge was true. did he not get that memo? our political panel is next. hi honey, did you get the toaster cozy? yep. got all the cozies. [ grandma ] with new fedex one rate, i could fill a box and ship it for one flat rate. so i knit until it was full. you'd be crazy not to. is that nana? [ male announcer ] fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex.

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ncht what he said was true. if you want to keep the insurance you have, can you keep it. the problem is the -- we did not put the bill into effect that way. >> so that's the majority leader in the senate harry reid explaining why the president did not break his promise and that people can keep their health care if they want despite the fact that millions are losing their health care. joining me aren't table is our

political panel. welcome all. so we've seem to have gotten past at least from the statistics the white house will give us the idea that the website is a mess. what we don't know is how it's actually going to play outment i'm not sure harry reid helped him at all in that particular interview. what do you see moving forward as the president's main problem as he tries to sell this? >> i think what the president's been doing the past week and is going to be doing over the next couple weeks is highlighting all the various benefits that the american people are already getting. i think that is an important thing. first, he had to fix the website. we're well on track to getting there. but also make sure that people realize it's not just several hundred thousand people that

signing up. but there are millions of people benefiting already, whether it's through pre-existing -- the potentials against pre-existing conditions or young people being allowed to stay on the policy. and other piece of it that is very important is that american people understand there is another choice. that is the republican plan which is repeeled. which is to take all of that away from you. that's what we need to deep doing as democrats. >> we heard from some economist that's the economy is getting better. is hg salvagable to you? >> i really don't think so. i think obama care is still unworkable, unpopular and unfundable. what this is a program that has accelerated our path to a single pair system even though the president denies this. you know, harry reid's comment, i mean that, was a classic case of would are you going to believe, your lying eyes or me? your lying neighbor ands they're

anywhere tafs about how hard it is to work into the program, how skyrocketing their health care costs is under this new. you know, this is a case where repeal is the only logical way of avoiding a catastrophe. >> susan, does the president in this argument and he's not going to repeal, he's knots going to let this law get repealed, does he have new juice now? the website horror stories are trickling downward. the economy is looking like not great but better. does he gather some new steam from this? >> i think it's one of the cases where the reality will matter. obviously the website is working better for consumersment we don't know how well it's working with the insurers who are then getting these people who are trying to enroll. the administration said on friday one out of sen people now signing up. there are errors in the forms that then go to the -- on the back end form that's go to the insurance companies. that also needs to work out. i think there's been a lot of

damage to the promise he made and broke that if you like your plan you can keep it. whatever explanation can be made including senator reid's perp x perplexing one, i think think t cost him he needs to rebuild that and it can be rebuilt. and it's a process of rebuilding and it doesn't happen automatically. >> when that problem came to light, the president actually moved forward with a fix. because that's what the american people want. the american people don't want repeal. they could not be more clear that they don't want repeal. what the republicans keep saying that this is unfixable, that it should be scrapped, that is not what the american people want. and that point of view has led to complete and total gridlock there,'s no movement on immigration reform. there's no movement on any other economic or budget matters, and that's going to be even more

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we are back with susan page and ken blackwell. i have to move you along to this subject. we have learned this week that congressional republicans are learning how to talk to women and how to run against women. i'm going to give mo first crack at this, because he loves this story. but before you do, i just want to give you a few little blasts from the past from our current president. >> i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough, hillary. >> thank you. >> how are you going to help the american auto worker? >> hold on one second, sweetie.

she's one of the finer looking politicians. >> so anyway, that was just to kind of calm you down a bit about republicans learning to talk to women. what did you think of it? >> i think the republicans' problem, what was so amusing to me, as a democratic operative about this story that they were going to start pulling sensitive detrainings on how to talk to and about women. they think their entire problem is aboutoricrhetoric, it's not. it's about the republicans continue to try to push greater restrictions on access to women's health care. they're doing nothing in the congress right now except for repeal and continuing to push further restrictions on women's access to health care. i don't see how they get over the hump. >> ken, you have to at least be able to get women or any constituency to listen to you, and if the rhetoric turns you

off, it may actually be rhetoric. i didn't think it was actually that bad of an idea to say, sit down and listen to me, these are not ways to do this. >> the president improved his communication skills talking with women as we saw from that tape. look, at the end of the day, republicans don't have a problem working with and talking with women. we control 30 of the governor ships. we control 26 state houses and senate chambers, you know, we in fact know how to speak to women on their policy issues. i would agree with mo, as long as it is about improving the art of communication and not abandoning policy, i think it's a pretty smart move. >> how about toning down some of the big things. what mo's suggesting is whenever you talk about a woman's right to choose, that somehow this

loses you -- >> mo and i disagree on the question of life and religious liberty and i'm saying that we both need to know how to speak to women on those issues without abandoning our policy differences because that's what politics is all about, being able to convince people that your policy is right. >> but you know -- >> and we have done that in the state and we can do it on the national level. >> and what is true, susan, is that republicans among white married women tend to do very well. >> yes, but women have elected democratic presidents, there's been a big gender gap on the national level. women are so perplexing, if you call them sweetie, it turnings them off. if you try to minimize the crime of rape, it turns them off. maybe that's a lesson that everybody ought to learn. >> and just sort of think through what you're actually about to say.

so i've got to thank you, thanks for coming by. and thanks for watching state of the union. fareed zakaria gps starts right now. this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. starting with nelson mandela and we will ask you what happened to his legacy in africa and beyond. i have a great panel including one of mandela's close confid t confidants and the man that until this summer was obama's top national security -- why he says the u.s. doesn't need to cut a deal with hamid karzai of afghanistan. next, how to understand the booming american economy. i'll ask the man who